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    A Fallacious Triad
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    Author: * Moravius Horatius - 1 Post on this thread out of 265 Posts sitewide.
    Date: May 10, 2004 - 11:41

    Salvete omnes

    I seem to keep walking in on year old discussions. Anyway.

    Jovius Valerius scripsit:
    2. I have found several references to another temple on the Capitoline Hill that was dedicated to Jupiter, Quirinus, and Mars, I do not know its name.

    I would like to know what those references were? There was never such a temple dedicated to such a triad. In fact no temple to Mars was permitted inside the City pomerium until Augustus dedicated the one to Mars Ultor. Mars was to defend the City, and so His shrines and temples were placed outside the City. There are no dedications, inscriptions or any direct evidence that such a triad existed. Instead it was a triad created by Georges Dumezil based on his preconceived notions and fallacious methods of reasoning that was soundly refuted by Momigliano more than 20 years ago. One argument Dumezil tried to make concerned the flamines maiores apppearing together at a rite on the kalends of October. But this was a rite celebrating the natalis of the temple of Fides Publica that began only in the third century. There developed a relationship between Jupiter, Mars and Quirinus after Quirinus became identified with the deified Romulus about mid fourth century. This became a relationship of grandfather, father and son, and not one reflective of any trifunctional tripartite society as Dumezil claimed and as never existed at Rome. In fact Dumezil struggled hard to claim such a social organization once existed because it did not exist at Rome, and therefore disproved his general theory on IE social structure.

    I know there are still linguists who refer to Dumezil's theories. They were never accepted among Italian archaeologists, and are generally not accepted today by historians of Rome and archaeologists in most countries. France may be one exception, Turcan still refers to them. In the 1970's Dumezil's theories were accepted by some and so you will find them in the ideas of such authors as Scullard. Momigliano was the strongest opponent against Dumezil, writing in the 1980's. You can find a summary of arguments agianst Dumezil's theories in E. T. Salmon, "Samnia and the Samnites, 1967; T. J. Cornel "The Beginnings of Romes," 1995; Mary Beard et all, "Religions of Rome,1998; and John Scheid, "An Introduction to Roman Religion," 2003. And of course in a number of articles in the JRS, papers and books by Momigliano.


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